i went to see "lincoln" the movie a few weeks ago. it was a riveting movie, daniel day lewis is brilliant as lincoln. but all about how he fought in his last few months as president to get slavery apolished. there were millions of americans who thought slavery was perfectly acceptable. who was outraged at what he was doing. he was not trying to make something popular at the moment. he knew instinctively it was just wrong, unfair, unequal. >> and why did he know that? because it's in the bible. >> right, but we had this discussion. >> it's in the bible. he was building it on biblical truth. the bible says every man should be free. >> but you don't believe every man should be free and equal? >> of course we're free and of course we're equal. you can love anybody you want to. >> but you don't think a gay man or woman should be free to be married like a straight man or woman. so what is freedom? >> what i oppose is redefining a term. now, let me explain this. you know, jews, there's a group called jews for jesus. and jewish feel don't lik